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Freelance62
February 10, 2007, 2:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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What are your thoughts on going freelance straight from having passed at NVQ2 level at college (baring in mind that the college had a working salon, so i have some salon experience and i am confident in my abilities)....

Whats a good way to start out building a client base?

I'm going to join the Federation for freelance hair and beauty, as has been suggested.

The reason i ask is because i have been a qualified hair extensionist for over 5 years now and ever since victoria beckham had her extensions taken out and got the pob, alot of clients have gone for the same look and extensions work had dried up so much, i'm struggling to pay morgage and bills.  Working full time in a hairdressers would not pay me enough to cover my outgoings and that leaves me with either going part time in a salon for experience and a ensured regular income of some proportion and make up the rest mobile... or go straight to being mobile :/

Thoughts? experiences?  I'm very greatful for any input at all.
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jewel4hair4
February 17, 2007, 10:00am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello, well i have to say when i did my nvq 2 i decided there was no point for myself to go for the level 3 so i went straight out on my own mobile, it did take me a while to build up though, but one thing i never knew about right at the start was there was help out there, the freelance hair and beauty federation which you have heard about, i didnt find out about them until years after i started mobile, but if you join them at the beginning they are really helpful, the first course i would recommend is the profile on potential course, this gives you a good start, i never went on this course but about of people i know have been and say its excellent, they show you how to represent yourself to looking confident and professional, making sure you set your standards high and have a a positive outlook, and much much more. Also you can be shown how to keep your books etc, they give so much help you cant really go wrong.
I found that be getting some price lists printed and putting these through peoples doors were much better than just putting leaflets through doors as most people get fed up with constant leaflets coming through their doors they dont take much notice.
When you join the fhbf they send you a booklet every month, they have regular courses, with wella loreal etc, at reduced rates, and if you read every page of the book there is so much information about all you need to know in there, there have reports from people who have been on the courses and say what they did on the course in detail so keeps you up to date.
Another thing i would say dont tell new clients your just starting out mobile as they will expect a reduction or think you havent got much experience or this is what i found. Dont be soft and give any reduced prices, even to friends as you need to spend your time earning the right price so you can pay your morgage
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Freelance62
February 20, 2007, 12:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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All extremely helpful advice, thanks

Were you not very nervous going mobile on your own straight after passing nvq2?  It may just be because we had an awful tutor the first year at college, but i dont feel like i'm confident in anything but what i've learned.  What i mean by that is, i can do one length, box layers, uniform layers, forward grad and short grad hair cuts (along with all colouring etc), but if someone came to me with a photo of a funky style, i dont think i'd know how to cut it... i feel like i've learnt purely the basics and not been shown how to put them together to create more funky cuts.

Did you feel like this?  Or in your opinion have i been let down by my college?  My friend and i have put so much effort into this and are top of the class, but at the same time, its a mature evening class, so its only 6 hours a week and we can only practice what we're shown.

With all this in mind, i'm contemplating salon work first now.
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jewel4hair4
February 20, 2007, 2:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi and Yes i did feel like you, at the college was just like the basics, but if you join the fhbf then you can go on lots of different courses of your choice and then you will feel confident, i did and im not a very confident person. What i did when i first set out to go mobile was to give the impression to clients that i am confident and yes if they give you  a photo of how they want there hair to look tell the client that its not going to look exactly the same uless they do have the same hair type, and have a go, if the client says it doesnt look like the photo, then you can then again say as i said you have a different type of hair texture to the person in the photo. Once you go for it the first time beleive me you will feel great if the client is happy, and keep the cutting courses on going as it makes you feel up there with the rest. Going mobile has been the best thing, no boss either !! Up to you if you go into a salon, but i wouldnt personally.
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Freelance62
February 20, 2007, 10:24pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Glad its not just us then.  Its very scary doing that straight off, and your advice is very helpful.  Believe me, staying mobile (i've been a mobile extensionist and trainer for Prostyles (www.prostyles.com) for the past 5 years) would be great, and the thought of getting a job, let alone demonstrating my skills to a salon and having a boss again, scares me loads.... however my extension business has dried up almost totally since Victoria Beckham had the 'Pob' cut in, as many of my regulars and potential new clients had it cut in, and now with a morgage, its very much needs must and i need some sort of guaranteed income, no matter how low.

Would you mind if i ask you a couple more questions?  Sorry, dont want to be a pain, but you've been so helpful and it makes me feel far better about things coming on this forum and getting advice from you guys

* How long did it take roughly after starting up mobile, to make a livable wage?
* With alot of short hair cuts, like the classic grannies  short curly or short straight, is there any formula to it?  I mean, is it a case of uniform layers all over pretty much? and then just point cut into a bit?  Just so i now if i've got the right idea, i realise every cut will be different

And thanks again!
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jewel4hair4
March 1, 2007, 7:46pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi, It took me about 5 months to get about 3 a day, and another 5 months to get another 2-3 per day. but these i did at reduced rate !!!!!!!!!!!! MISTAKE !!!!!!! dont do cheapies, i was soft and stupid but learnt the hard way i felt pleased to get some people at first but then gave them reduced rates. but then i had a problem to get the money raised up to be what i should be charging.
I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE BUT if your going moblie join the freelance hair and beauty i have really gained so much in every way, but they give you all the info you would need and a few pointers from other members on how to get the clients.
AS for the grannies layers yes most of the time, as they have perms etc but you do get the odd one who likes to have slightly longer hair, but its what ever suits the shape of the face.
Every layered cut is the same,  but if the hair is longer you can graduate the hair cut etc.
I am going on a couple of courses arrange by the fhbf in the next couple of months you never stop learning, then you gain more confidence and feel your worth more and put those prices up more, so you dont need to do loads of people to earn a living at this/


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chick
August 18, 2007, 6:39pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi guys!!! I have a question for mobile hairdressers. I just finished college ( about a month ago ) my nvq level 2. My dream so far was to be a mobile hairdresser, because so far I have worked in 3 different salons and realized  that it is not for me - bad wages, moody bosses, bitchesness and 9 to 5 thing.

But I cant go on my own yet, as I need much more experience, and my college was really bad, so |I am really strugling with cutting and I have no confidence what s so ever


So I started this job in the salon just 3 weeks ago.
Today at work, I spoke to some girls and they are all top stylists with  5 to 15 years of experience.

They all seem to moan a lot about their job, they are on minimum wage, and always tired. I mentioned have they ever thought of going mobile. And thy all said pretty negative things about being mobile.

They said its bad money cause u have to charge less than in the salon, and u put everything u earn into petrol anyway, also they said that u become a bad hairdresser, because u are on ur own and u forget things, and u dont learn anything new. And u end up  just doing few sets for grannies.

They really upset me, as I am thinking now whats it is all for if it is really true. Can some mobile hairdressers tell me how things really are please?
Thank u! xxx
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Freelance62
August 19, 2007, 10:14am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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You want to speak to Jewel, shes a mobile hairdresser and loves it

These girls are being silly in your salon... if mobile is what you want to do then do it.  Its what im working towards.  Use the salon to ask lots of questions, do as many clients as you can and take on friends and family and family friends as clients outside work to start building up your own mobile client base whilst at the salon.  

Look for websites of mobile hairdressers in your area and see what theri prices are like... you may charge a fair bit less than a salon, but alot of people pick mobile hairdressers not for the price necessarily, but for the at home service (alot of people are intimidated by going to salons and would prefer a mobile service).  If you do all the clients yourself, the money is yours, you will earn much more than in a salon (provided you build up a good client base)...

Most mobile hairdressers i know of have more than enough clients and have lots of regulars and make a good living and enjoy the job alot more.

The salon environment isnt for me either, but honestly, stick with it, take what they say to you on the chin and follow your own dreams... if you want something bad enough, you'll do it and you'll do well

Also, join http://www.fhbf.org.uk/  as they have meetings and cut price training courses, a magazine and are there for mobile hairdressers to enable you to keep your skills fresh and up to date so you will never become a 'bad hairdresser' as they say.
Constant courses and updating your skills are the way to go... there is no reason to let your skills go down hill unless you dont care enough to keep them up to date
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chick
August 19, 2007, 11:27am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Awh, thank u, I already aplyed for the fhbf - cant wait to join it!
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chick
August 19, 2007, 11:31am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Also, does anyone know anything about the Reflections college in Birmingham? I was thinking of doing level 3 there, because my other college was a disaster.
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elayne99
August 19, 2007, 2:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi there.
I am mobile, and you only get out of it what you put in.
I love being mobile, and have worked in salons, and keep going back to being mobile.
I love the freedom.
The last salon I worked in, I hated because basically the money was rubbish. When you are standing doing a set of foils for example and the client is being charged around £70.00, and you are on just over the minimum wage, it makes you feel resentful. Well thats how it got me, and I kept thinking this money could be going in my pocket instead of the greedy boss's till!!!!!!!!!
It very satisfying knowing you are in full control, and can decide when to work, what hours to work, what to charge , what clients you do, etc.
I personally wouldn't have it any other way.
Go for it, you wont regret it.   Plus if it dosent work out for you, then you can always go back to salon work.
Let us know how you get on.
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chick
August 19, 2007, 5:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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hi, elayne99!

thank u so much for ur post! I ll be in touch xxxxxxxx
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chick
August 19, 2007, 5:59pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hey, I was just researching the internet to find out the prices for mobile hairdressers like I was advised here - everything is so cheap

Cuts for £10.00, sets for £9.00. full head of highlights only £30.00 root regroth is £12.00. etc

Conidering that you spend time and petrol getting to the job is it actually worth it? Or am I wrong? Can any of the mobile hairdressers here tell me their prices?
Thank u xxx
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Freelance62
October 3, 2007, 8:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Look for mobile hairdressing prices in your area and look at more than a few peoples websites.  Different areas seem different pricewise, and its best to stick with the average.  The way i see it with petrol costs etc, is you may just have to put up with your oney going on petrol at the start, as you only get 1 or 2 people in each area, but as they get to know you they'll recommend you to others and then you end up with a group of people in the same area.  It then just comes down to planning.  Just try to book in people in the same area on the same day, then its one petrol charge for a few clients

Have you started out mobile then?  or are you still at the salon?

Im just about ready to walk now, but still cant as i dont have enoygh clients to move onto.
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chick
October 24, 2007, 9:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi, I am still in the salon and at college doing my level 3. But I dont seem to move on any further - I still feel like I cant cut hair... just colour  


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Freelance62
October 25, 2007, 9:57am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Chick -  You can only learn by doing... you need to get some clients in... ask to put a poster up advertising for clients for you at a discounted rate.

Also do some creative cutting courses, attend demos etc, watch every cut you can within the salon and you'll soon pick it up.  After level 2 i was in the salon for 3 months watching before i started clients, now after 6 months im confident to do anyone that walks in the door.

You will get there, you just need to look out for yourself and if the salon isnt giving you the experience you want, talk to them about it, or find another one that will let you do clients.
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November 2, 2007, 9:21pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi to everyone I am new on here and would like to introduce my new site http://www.ultimatehairextensions.com It is a site for clip in hair extensions. I have found these are becoming very popular which is good for me. They are great and cause no damage.
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great site, good luck


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chick
November 6, 2007, 12:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Diversity_Hair
Chick - šYou can only learn by doing... you need to get some clients in... ask to put a poster up advertising for clients for you at a discounted rate.

Also do some creative cutting courses, attend demos etc, watch every cut you can within the salon and you'll soon pick it up. šAfter level 2 i was in the salon for 3 months watching before i started clients, now after 6 months im confident to do anyone that walks in the door.

You will get there, you just need to look out for yourself and if the salon isnt giving you the experience you want, talk to them about it, or find another one that will let you do clients.


Thank you! We have a sign in the window, but they keep booking models for colour for me, I have a feeling they want me to do just colours ( at least for the firs couple of years) coz aparently this happened to other girls in there - they didint start cuttin untill 3 - 4 years after they been there. But I feel like I havent got that much time - I just want to go mobile like yesterday   Also, I dont feel like leaving to another salon becoz in previous 5 salons I worked ( yes, 5 !!!) It was much worse, and I feel like becoz of my age ( I am 27) i dont have a lot of options  
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Freelance62
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I understand, and yes, put yourself and your own goals first.  Im only just starting with mobile work, as i wanted to be confident before i did it.

Id say avoid the city center salons and go for a small local salon or a 'grannie' salon... it may sound boring, but you get a much wider range of experience, and you are constantly cutting as well, which really gets your skills up to par.  

Just make sure you clearly state your reasons for leaving 6 salons in your cover letter, otherwise that may go against you.
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Freelance62
November 6, 2007, 4:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Im also 27!

Oh and maybe just ask to speak to your boss about how you feel(about getting more cuts in).  Its better to try and rectify a situation than leave it without trying.
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Im also 27!

Oh and maybe just ask to speak to your boss about how you feel(about getting more cuts in).  Its better to try and rectify a situation than leave it without trying.


Spoke to my boss yesterday about it all - he got really angry with me, said that I am complaining, and being negative   But all I said was that I dont feel like anything is happening - adn all I am is a cleaner and a waitress there.  
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Then id say leave... no point staying in a place where you arent getting anywhere.  When you write to new slaons for job, explain that you want some cutting experience...

Remember though, you will always have to start at the bottom and work your way up.

Cutting friends and families hair and building up a small client base of mobile people you are comfortable doing will help too
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Then id say leave... no point staying in a place where you arent getting anywhere.  When you write to new slaons for job, explain that you want some cutting experience...

Remember though, you will always have to start at the bottom and work your way up.

Cutting friends and families hair and building up a small client base of mobile people you are comfortable doing will help too


Yeah, I do cut friends and family - but it s usually just ones, as they dont let me cut it the  second time  

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hi there i started mobile hairdressing just over a year a go and its the best thing i have done its a scary thing and hard work at the start but believe me when the business picks up its worth it. The way i started i got some lleaflets printed up by a company and went delivering in the near by areas to where i stay once i got a few clients from that i went further a field and also your clients will recommend you to there friends and thats how the business starts .
if you have a morgage to pay i would suggest gettin a part time job and on your days off consentrat on the freelance as it may not pick up straight away i was lucky i had my partner to support me when i wasent workin and trying to build the buisness but now its reat im standing on ma own 2 feet now
try and not go to far out from where u stay as you always have to think of your costs espesially petrol some time it is not worth goin that far if your only covering your costs if you can get a few clients from the same place have a set day to do them.
when i started i had worked in a salon for 8 years and i hated it i also worked abroad  for 2 years but i still prefer this you can choose when you work and all the money goes in your pocket the only bad thing is the paperwork and accounts get a good accountant if you dont like paperwork
always act confident infront of the client as the will have more faith in you if they see u r scared it can maki them nervous and thats some thing you dont want
any questions just ask

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December 1, 2007, 10:48pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Oh, thank u so much for ur post!!! I cant wait to start mobile hairdressing!!!  
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So nearly a year on and my situation has changed again  However, now im very confident in what i do and have salon experience behind me.

I have left the other salon as its been sold.  I have a chair rental job coming up in a near by salon with a small client base waiting on Mondays until 2pm and sometimes Thursdays, with scope to take over the other stylists clients when they are on holiday.  I just pay the chair rental for the day and pay the shampooist wages if i want her there (makes more sense as she can save me alot of time where i can book other clients in).  The rental cost isnt too bad, and when i think of the number of clients i could do in the day, its more than id normally do in a week at the moment, and the rent = my petrol costs, so i should be more in pocket.

As well as this im continuing my mobile work, including hair extensions which are picking up again now.

So with this in mind ive read all this thread again and it seems it took 5 months to a year to build up steady clients according to those who have replied.

Can i just ask those mobile hairdressers (or any other mobile hairdressers) a few questions?

*How many clients do you do on average per day/week?
*What do these clients mostly have done? (what does your day normally entail? cuts and a colour, or colours or hi-lights?)
*What sort of daily income/yearly income can i expect after a year? (i realise everyones prices will vary, but it would be good to get an idea... please PM me if you'd rather not put this info on the forum, as i understand its a bit personnal, im just one for planning and gathering all info about something before i fully jump in.)

Thanks in advance
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A small update...

I started my rent a chair and its brilliant, best thing i could have done  The mobile work is picking up too, and im really happy where i am now.  Its been a long hard slog to get here, but it was well worth the effort
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Aaaaaaaaaand its all changed again! haha...

Rent a chair didnt work, most the clients were old ladies shampoo and set clients, which is fine, but they were used to a woman of 60 doing their hair, and now i come in at 28 and they said i was too young.  So, after being upset for a week and stressing out, i bit he bullet and got a part time reception job, its nothing to do with the hair industry, but pays enough to suppliment my income until the mobile business picks up even more... which it *is* doing, but slowly.

Now im really concentrating on the freelance stuff, and cant wait until i dont have to do the other job anymore.

Hope things are going well for everyone else.

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Sorry to here you are struggling, but it is actually quite nice to hear there is demand for hairdressers aged 60, the profession does seem to be dominated by young people


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